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Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:11 AM ET
Todd Cordell: New Jersey Devils Notes: Loktionov, Kovalchuk, Fancy Stats & More
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jun 22 @ 10:28 AM ET
Todd Cordell: New Jersey Devils Notes: Loktionov, Kovalchuk, Fancy Stats & More
- Todd.Cordell


Just thinking about it, that GF/GA stat when Kovalchuk and Elias are on the ice together or aren't is probably flawed. Usually they only play together in 6-on-5 situations, and unless there is another option for that, usually the stats still look at that as 5-on-5. Add to that we are noticeably horrendous with the extra man and we give up a lot more goals then scored, just like most teams, probably contributes to that number.
Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:43 AM ET
Just thinking about it, that GF/GA stat when Kovalchuk and Elias are on the ice together or aren't is probably flawed. Usually they only play together in 6-on-5 situations, and unless there is another option for that, usually the stats still look at that as 5-on-5. Add to that we are noticeably horrendous with the extra man and we give up a lot more goals then scored, just like most teams, probably contributes to that number.
- _Zippy_


Power play time doesn't affect it at all. This is straight up 5 vs. 5 minutes.
MannySilvers
New Jersey Devils
Location: ROCK LAND, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 22 @ 10:48 AM ET
Todd, what do you think about at some point putting Kovy back on the left wing? That's where he always plays internationally and seems to thrive much more in that role (I know the wider ice internationally is a factor as well). He was switched to RW so he could play on the top line with Parise, but being as that isn't a thing anymore it might make sense to move him back.
Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Jun 22 @ 10:49 AM ET
Todd, what do you think about at some point putting Kovy back on the left wing? That's where he always plays internationally and seems to thrive much more in that role (I know the wider ice internationally is a factor as well). He was switched to RW so he could play on the top line with Parise, but being as that isn't a thing anymore it might make sense to move him back.
- MannySilvers


I think Kovalchuk is fine at RW. Devils just need to get him proper linemates. I'll have more on this later in the summer.
archromat
Location: Moncton, NB
Joined: 01.16.2012

Jun 22 @ 11:05 AM ET
Kovalchuk played wicked with Russians in the KHL. Maybe he just needs the trio of Russians. I don't think he and Parise were a match made in heaven either, since they were both minus players.

Next two weeks are exciting and terrifying.


ChuckNJ
Joined: 05.07.2013

Jun 22 @ 11:13 AM ET
I was impressed with Lokti, I hope he continues to develop.

Yes, Kovy and Elias do not produce on the same line.

Currently Devils are in excellent cap position. Good draft pick with 9th pick and A sensible FA period and the future is looking fine.
bbsunshine92
New Jersey Devils
Location: NY
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 22 @ 11:40 AM ET
Todd, what do you think about at some point putting Kovy back on the left wing? That's where he always plays internationally and seems to thrive much more in that role (I know the wider ice internationally is a factor as well). He was switched to RW so he could play on the top line with Parise, but being as that isn't a thing anymore it might make sense to move him back.
- MannySilvers


I think his success under Oates on RW and, subsequently, Ovechkin's success on RW with Oates is a clear example of why Kovy must stay on the right wing. The only advantage to having him on the left wing is the ability to get off a one-timer easier and for him to cut to the middle of the ice on his forehand. That being said, its much more efficient for the team as a whole to have him accepting passes on his forehand, aka on the RW, during the rush. Basically, he can move to the left side on an odd-man rush in order to give him those abilities previously mentioned, but during a 5 v 5 rush he wouldnt even have the time and space to get off a one-timer or cut to the middle from the left side...he must stay on the RW
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jun 22 @ 11:41 AM ET
Power play time doesn't affect it at all. This is straight up 5 vs. 5 minutes.
- Todd.Cordell


Does it include 6-on-5 with the goalie pulled?
bbsunshine92
New Jersey Devils
Location: NY
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 22 @ 11:46 AM ET
Does it include 6-on-5 with the goalie pulled?
- _Zippy_


No, the stats are purely 5 v 5
Mr_Clean
Location: PLAYOFFS?, MB
Joined: 08.09.2010

Jun 22 @ 1:41 PM ET
Does it include 6-on-5 with the goalie pulled?
- _Zippy_


I would think that that would count as 5-on-5 minutes, technically speaking, since they wouldn't be at an actual numerical advantage in terms of the players on the ice.
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

Jun 22 @ 5:07 PM ET
I would think that that would count as 5-on-5 minutes, technically speaking, since they wouldn't be at an actual numerical advantage in terms of the players on the ice.
- Mr_Clean


That's what I'm saying. In that case it's flawed with empty net situations where we are scored on more often then not.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 22 @ 6:26 PM ET
i really hope lou isnt serious about no buy outs, it was a mess back there last year when larsson couldnt get in the lineup and then tallinder complained about lack of playing time, imo tallinder should be our buy out, i cant see us using both but we need to get the D fixed and stable not a revolving door, and some of our D prospects should get time like urbom and a better look at gelinas

even with zid possibly (hopefully) not returning the D is still a mess

im happy that lokti signed for a very reasonable price and he looked good out there, while he isnt a 1st line center he seemed to click with kovy and should play with him as he seemed to have struggled a little when he was playing on the 3rd line, hopefully he will keep improving and solidify his spot

i think matteau should play in albany next year, but if we lose clarkson i have a feeling matteau will take his place in the line up

as for briere i wouldnt mind him for a max of 2 years no more than 3mill, yes he has slowed down and isnt good defensively but he can be decent and we dont have the forward depth in the system that could really beat him out at this point

zubrus-loktionov-kovalchuk
henrique-zajac-elias
tedenby-josefson-briere/matteau/1st pick (id like shinkaruk)
CGBG

greene-larsson
salvador-fayne
volchenkov-urbom/gelinas


as others have said clarkson for 5mill is too much
Mr_Clean
Location: PLAYOFFS?, MB
Joined: 08.09.2010

Jun 22 @ 6:31 PM ET
That's what I'm saying. In that case it's flawed with empty net situations where we are scored on more often then not.
- _Zippy_


Well, there would be the 5-on-6 minutes counted as well, which would balance it out somewhat, presumably, but yeah I see your point. It's definitely not 'normal' 5-on-5
archromat
Location: Moncton, NB
Joined: 01.16.2012

Jun 22 @ 7:02 PM ET
Goodness, #9 overall shouldn't be playing third line if he's a forward. No highly touted rookie should be playing third line until he's 20 or 21. Matteau was an exception because he's not expected to be a big producer.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 22 @ 7:40 PM ET
Goodness, #9 overall shouldn't be playing third line if he's a forward. No highly touted rookie should be playing third line until he's 20 or 21. Matteau was an exception because he's not expected to be a big producer.
- archromat


PD doesnt like playing rookies big mins and if they feel he is ready for NHL then i can see him playing 3rd and PP
bbsunshine92
New Jersey Devils
Location: NY
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 22 @ 8:16 PM ET
PD doesnt like playing rookies big mins and if they feel he is ready for NHL then i can see him playing 3rd and PP
- dmarsden2988


Shinkaruk will be NHL ready if he puts on some size
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 22 @ 8:24 PM ET
Shinkaruk will be NHL ready if he puts on some size
- bbsunshine92



i know, i dont think he will get top 6mins though, i could see him getting some time on the 2nd PP unit, and if he is showing he is capable then he could move up the line up but PDB seems to give vets more time than rookies
blizzzard
New Jersey Devils
Location: Orillia, ON
Joined: 07.02.2011

Jun 22 @ 8:45 PM ET
Didn't I didn't I see you crying
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 22 @ 9:50 PM ET
Todd Cordell: New Jersey Devils Notes: Loktionov, Kovalchuk, Fancy Stats & More
- Todd.Cordell

Great blog as usual, Todd
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 22 @ 9:50 PM ET
Well, there would be the 5-on-6 minutes counted as well, which would balance it out somewhat, presumably, but yeah I see your point. It's definitely not 'normal' 5-on-5
- Mr_Clean

Hello
FLdevilsFAN
New Jersey Devils
Location: Balls Deep, AK
Joined: 07.08.2010

Jun 23 @ 10:31 AM ET
Depressing to hear Lou say he won't use a buyout. I'd argue that half the starting defense should be bought out, but to use ZERO?!

Looks like we're in for the usual "status quo" off season of no improvements with the exception of adding another half dozen 3rd-4th liners to the roster.

What a joke.
NickA
New Jersey Devils
Location: Shero's magical sack, NJ
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jun 23 @ 10:40 AM ET
Depressing to hear Lou say he won't use a buyout. I'd argue that half the starting defense should be bought out, but to use ZERO?!

Looks like we're in for the usual "status quo" off season of no improvements with the exception of adding another half dozen 3rd-4th liners to the roster.

What a joke.

- FLdevilsFAN


Waste of money to buy out Tallinder he only has a year left on his contract. Sal or Volchenkov should be bought out though...Since it seems the won't they better step up their game big time.
Mr_Clean
Location: PLAYOFFS?, MB
Joined: 08.09.2010

Jun 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
Hello
- shvingter88


Hey there, how goes it?
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 23 @ 7:07 PM ET
Hey there, how goes it?
- Mr_Clean

Good, and you?